Yellowstone Woodturners

Symposium 11

Featuring: Keith Gotschall


October 8th and 9th, 2016

Roaring 20'S Auto Clubhouse

7400 Grand Avenue

Billings, Montana





The Monthly Newsletter of Yellowstone Woodturners
Billings, Montana

October 2016                            Vol. 17, No.10

The meeting is Wednesday, October 5th at 7:00 PM


From the Editor

Those Members who did not attend the business meeting and wish to know the status of the Clubs funds can contact the club Treasurer,  Leona Gipe (406)248-1664.


Think About Turning Today!


Meeting Location

Roaring 20’s Auto Club clubhouse, 7400 Grand Avenue.



(Wednesday July 13, 2016 Meeting)

Minutes (Wednesday August 10, 2016 Meeting)

Minutes (Wednesday September 14, 2016 Meeting)

Officers: Ron, Leona, Stan, Nick

Historian Photographer: Jane Kelly

Call for Guests: We had two guests at this meeting, Ivy Crumb who is the daughter of Jesse

Crumb. She said that she wants to learn how to turn.

Cookies by: Ralph P. Next meeting it will be Jerry G.

Health Reports: Dave Torrence was not present because he was feeling ill. Hopefully he fills better soon.

Correspondence: We have some hats and sew on patches with our club's logo for sale. Call Ron V.

Show and Tell: No special challenge this month.

Jane K. Brought 2 Russian Olive winged bowls, 1 Elm bowl and 1 Cedar winged bowl. All finished with EEE Ultra Shine.

Dale M. Brought a music baton made from Ebony and fiberglass with a super glue finish.

Ivy C. Brought 2 turned turned pieces, kind of wood and finish unknown.

Jerry G. Brought a Cedar post vase and a Russian Olive bowl both with a lacquer finish.

Tim M. Brought a vase made from a Juniper fence post with a poly finish.

Ellis W. Brought a picture of toy boxes he made from Oak and Walnut, kind of finish unknown.

Dr Van Brought a Cedar, Ash and segmented urn, finish unknown.

Phil S. Brought a segmented urn made from Holly and Wenge with a Master Gel finish.

Ray C. Brought 5 Elm bowls, 1 Silver Maple bowl , 1 Ash bowl and 1 Elm vase, finishes unknown.

Stan L. Brought a bowl made from Apricot with club mix finish. He also brought a picture of our trailer with the graphics on it. He plans on giving the bowl to Trim Line as a thank you and it will set on there counter with the picture of our trailer behind it. We may get some exposure from it.

Several of our members showed some of their pieces at our Fair and most if not all got ribbons and made money.

Next month's challenge: Any thing you want to turn. (BE CREATIVE)

Treasurer’s report: We had no new expenses and have a good balance. If you have any questions call Ron or Leona. Leona mentioned that we have only 12 or so signed up for our Symposium at this time. If you know any one that may be interested let them know about it.

New Business:

Gathering Wood: On going. We have a lot of wood for our members and if you would like some call Stan and he can bring it to our next meeting.

Soliciting New Members: On going

Open Workshop: Nothing scheduled

Hands On Workshops: Nothing scheduled.

2016 Dues are due, they remain at $25.

Symposium 11:

Keith Gotschall will be our presenter for Symposium 11 on October 8th & 9th , 2016.

His Website is http://keithgotschall.com if you would like to see some of his work.

Ron mentioned that registration for our Symposium is now on our Web Site. We can use more items for our silent auction, so if you can bring them to our next meeting.

We had a motion and it was second to have our October meeting a week early so it will come be for our Symposium. The new night will be October 4th .

Stan and Ron have got all the wood together that Keith G. requested to have for the Symposium.

There was a big thank you out to Stan L. for all the work he put in on pricing and getting the graphics on our trailer.

Ron V. will be moving in the near future and we will not have a President, so we will need a replacement. If you are interested in being President contact Ron or Dr Van.

The pictures of the projects for show and tell that Jane takes, Paul now has on our Web Site. Take a look at them, there great.

High School classes: No news on when they will start.

If you need a new members list call Ron Velin. The updated ones are now finished.


PROGRAM: George O. gave a great informational talk on a product that he had seen and wanted to try. He looked around and found a U.S. Company that sales it. It is called Yorkshire Grit and it is a gel like substance that has a grit in it for finish sanding of our turnings. He told us and had a sample piece that he sanded down to 240 grit then applied some of the gel to the piece with his fingers. He said you started applying the gel at a low speed then start increasing the speed until it gets warm.  Then you wipe it off with a paper towel and you end up with a 1000 grit finish. He told us we can buy it on Walnut Log.com for $22.50 plus $7.25 shipping and handling.

Dr Van showed us a scrap book that he has been working on for years that is about some of our members and their shops. He also has the obituaries of all the members that have passed since he became a member in 2008. He told us that 12 members have passed away since that time.

He also talked a little about saw stops and how beneficial they can be to us. He has one and he showed us the results of his mishap he had with a metal push stick.  Then he gave an interesting talk on his new passion, segmenting and how to get started. He told us about some of the books he got and how they tell you the amount and sizes of each kind of wood you'll need for each project in the books.  They tell you the angles to the pieces, the number of rings, how to glue them together etc.

PROGRAM: No program set up by the end of the meeting.


Wanted, For sale, Free 

This is your area,  Email, or phone Paul if you have an item to post here.


A Message From Members


Shop Tips from AAW

Handy Woodturning Hints.

Support for Turning Bottom of Bowls An alternative to the "wooden running pads" described in another tip: Take one of the plastic nuts that is used in some plumbing connections, such as the flexible connector that attaches to water using appliances, and place it over the end of the conical live center. The point of the live center does not protrude past the open end of the plastic nut and thus provides a small circular support surface at the wood project.


Warnie Lore St Albans, West Virginia


Get a Fantastic Finish on Less Than Fantastic Wood

If the bowl you turned has a bit of tearout or a portion of it contains punky wood, there are some steps you can take to salvage the piece:

    Leave the piece on the lathe and do not sand through the grits at this point.

    Select the oil finish of your choice-tung oil, walnut oil, Waterlox, Minwax natural stain, etc.-and liberally coat the inside and outside of the bowl.

    Select the lowest grit of sandpaper that you normally use-100, 120 are what most people start with.

    Keep the bowl wet with oil using a quality paper towel or cotton rag and begin sanding. You can power sand or hand sand, if the piece is small, but keep applying oil during the sanding process.

    With this grit, remove as much of the tearout and punkiness as possible, but do not remove the excess slurry you have created.

    Let the bowl dry overnight.

    The next day, select the next grit, probably 120. Apply the oil generously and sand, keeping the piece saturated with oil. Let the piece dry overnight.

    Repeat this process until you have sanded through 600 grit or higher.

    By this time, the slurry will have filled in the tearout and the punky areas and the multiple applications of oil will have created a nice sheen.

    Let the bowl dry thoroughly for several days and then buff to a beautiful finish.

This process also works very well on tighter grain woods that do not have tearout or suffer from punky areas.

~Keeley Guthrie Brazos Valley Woodturners, Waco, TX


An Article From More Woodturning


Navaho Border Patterns for Segmented Turning Feature Rings
by Bill Kandler

You know what they say about idle hands…

This spring, I got to thinking about doing a Navaho border pattern for a new project. I started playing with the cutting angle and make up of the diamond, the width of the slice, and the size of the saw kerf. In doing so, I came to realize that there’s an awful lot of variability in the result that comes from being able to change each one of these items. So many were the variations, and the results differed so much from the starting point, that I came to the decision that I needed to put together a model of the process. A model so I could see what was going on. And, when you have a model, you get to make the rules. Did I say rules? No, I meant to say no rules. The border pattern is usually made with a double border. But what would it look like with a single border or a three-part border? Wow! Here are four examples to show what I mean:

Starting Diamond Sliced Result

Figure 1 is a 30 degree diamond with a double border. The slices, 1/8” thick, are cut with a bandsaw. It results in a kind of snowflake appearance because the inner border color matches the surrounding material. Figure 2 is a 40 degree diamond with no distinct borders; just color and contrast. Again the slices are 1/8” thick and cut with a bandsaw. The result is truly wild. Figures 3 and 4 are 45 degree diamonds with a single border. The border is narrow in Figure 3, 1/8”, while it’s ¼” in Figure 4. So, how does one go about constructing such complex segments? Read on…

Start by assembling the lamination board. For this step it is important to mill all the stock to the same width, which makes it much easier to get everything lined up. The first wood is the middle, which is then flanked on either side by the next wood, which is then flanked on either side by the next wood, and so on. You should end up with something that looks like this:

Now set up your saw for making cuts at the angle specified in your design. For this one, it’s 30 degrees. Also set up a stop block so that all the strips will be cut at the same width. And, be sure the saw blade is ‘dead on’ vertical. The lamination board needs to be as long as needed for the strips plus some extra for safe handling during the sawing operation. After sawing, you now have this assembly of pieces:

Now take alternating strips and turn them over (left to right or right to left) and you have the Diamond pattern shown below. At the least, you now need to glue the strips into pairs. But for safety in processing, it’s a good idea to then assemble the pairs together temporarily using hot melt glue or an equivalent. Do this against a straight edge so you can be sure that all the points line up. If they don’t, you won’t be able to get the points to line up in the ring you later construct from the Diamonds.


Now you have a set of ZigZags from which you make Diamonds. But first trim off any excess material from the top and bottom of the design.

Now locate the exact center (vertical) of the design and cut the entire assembly into two horizontal halves and slide the top/bottom to the left/right to reveal the diamond pattern. Phew! Now we can finally start slicing.

Set up your slicing situation with a sawing fence with the appropriate spacing between the fence and the saw blade. Starting from the center of each half, slice away until you have exhausted the stock. Do this for both the top and bottom halves. Oh!, and keep track of which slice goes where.

Now, flip each slice over, top-to-bottom.

Last step! Carefully glue all the slices together, taking care to keep the pieces vertically aligned. One way to do this is to clamp blocks across the ends of the slices. This will keep things from moving around as you clamp along the strips. You can’t use too many clamps for this activity. With a good slicing blade and really hefty clamping pressure, you’ll find that there is no need to sand the slices before gluing.

All that’s left to do now is make the pieces into segments. That’s likely a two step process as you first need to break the glue-up down into segment blocks and then make the miter cuts. The trick here is to be sure that you make the miter cuts so that the two halves of each Diamond unit are identical. Otherwise you won’t be able to get the points to line up in the ring. Now, you’re almost ready to go off and try this out for yourself. And to make sure you really can, and do it easily, I’ve created a new designer as a Plug-In for my Segmented Project Planner that does it all with Diamond design, slicing, and detailed construction instructions (you just read them). Want to slice something else? Well, there’s also a pure Slicing designer, as well, that helps you to slice virtually anything you can construct.


More Woodturning Magazine
Events Calendar Listing - September - Novem2016

October 12, 2016 to October 15, 2016
Wizardry in Wood
Location: London, England
Dates: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 to Saturday, October 15, 2016

Wizardry in Wood will present beautiful and extraordinary works demonstrating their makers’ mastery of the art and craft of woodturning. The exhibition will feature works by over 60 contemporary turners and two extensive curated collections of outstanding modern and historical pieces. Live demonstrations of the craft will he held every day and there will also be short guided talks of the exhibition. Entries and winners of the Turners’ Company 2016 Competitions will also be on display.
Website: http://wizardryinwood.com/

October 22, 2016 to October 23, 2016
Irish Woodturners Guild National Seminar 2016
Location: Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
Dates: Saturday, October 22, 2016 to Sunday, October 23, 2016

The IWG National Seminar 2016 will take place at the Glenroyal Hotel and Leisure Club in Maynooth, Co Kildare. This annual event is Ireland's premier showcase of woodturning from around the world, in a friendly and informal atmosphere. The backdrop to the seminar is the beautiful and historic university town of Maynooth, situated 30 minutes from the centre of Dublin.
Read more of the description on the web page.
Website: http://www.iwg.ie/drupal/Seminar2016

October 27, 2016 to October 30, 2016
5th Segmented Symposium
Location: Quincy, MA
Dates: Thursday, October 27, 2016 to Sunday, October 30, 2016

Join segmented woodturners worldwide as they gather in the Boston, MA area in October. Sponsored by the Segmeting Chapter of the AAW, this symposium is for novices to accomplished--anyone interested in segmenting is welcome to attend. Demonstrators include John Beaver, Bob Benke, Jerry Bennett, Bruce Berger, Andy Chen, Robin Costelle, Ray Feltz, Tom Lohman, Mike McMillan, Wayne Miller, Al Miotke, Jim Rodgers, Malcolm Tibbetts, and Gary Wood. In addition to the demonstrations and panel discussions, there will be a vendor area, an attendees "swap", a banquet, an instant gallery, and a spouses program. The symposium will be held at the Boston Marriott Quincy.
Website: http://segmentedwoodturners.org

November 05, 2016 to November 06, 2016
2016 Virginia Woodturning Symposium
Location: Fisherville, VA
Dates: Saturday, November 05, 2016 to Sunday, November 06, 2016

The 2016 Virginia Woodturning Symposium, held in Fishersville, VA on Nov. 5th & 6th, will have a new look. We have a greatly expanded space as well as an outstanding lineup of nationally and internationally known turners. When you attend the Symposium, you will be treated to demonstrations by Trent Bosch, Jimmy Clewes, Barry Gross, Lyle Jamison, John Jordan, Johannes Michelsen, Frank Penta, and Bob Rosand.
Website: http://www.virginiawoodturners.com/


"Creativity Is Allowing Yourself To Make Mistakes.

Art Is Knowing Which Mistakes To Keep."

Happy Turning


Club Sponsors



PRESIDENT:  Ron Velin (406)679-0902
Stan Lambert  (406)348-3499
SECRETARY:  Nick Enslander (406)259-6762
Leona Gipe (406)248-1664
Librarian: (
Dr. Van) Richard Vande Veegaete (406)245-9945
Jane Kelly (406)259-3840
Technical Advisor: Newsletter & Website Editor: Paul Spencer (406) 861-6718
E-Mail: paulspencer2001@yahoo.com
Web Site:  www.yellowstoneturners.org

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Billings, Montana

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PO Box 21836

Billings, MT 59104

A local chapter of the American Association of Woodturners.


Map to Meeting Location


Agenda (Oct 5th, 2016)